It is a very good point, indeed. We may try to use technology to reduce
the level of personal commitement (read time wasted) of each member, but
the problem remains. I am not so sure that our community is the opposite
of what we need, I hope you are wrong.
A note: it is interesting that to discuss on the voluntary effort of our
field, we use BIOMCH-L which is totally based on a small group of
volunteers that do it just for (not enough) kudos. So, let us do it once
again: Kudos to all you moderating BIOMCH-L. We are really in debt with
you.
Marco
>Marco Viceconti wrote:
> > ...
> > Using again Paul Ostic words we have a grand,
> > and perhaps naive vision. Is
> > it too grand? Is it too naive? Or is this the
> > Grand Challenge that would
> > provide a quantum leap to biomechanics research?
> >
> > Considering that this would be a life-long endeavour,
> > once again the
> > opinion of young fellows, the only ones who may have
> > the chance to see it
> > done, is particularly welcome.
> >
>Though not being a young fellow, just a not so
>old technical assistant, I'd like to contribute
>my two euro-cents...
>
>Your global repository is an idea spinning around
>in my head for years now. I really do think your
>vision of a global repository is _the_ Grand Challenge
>for the biomechanics community.
>
>And that's exactly the problem: You will need a
>special kind of community to get it started, and,
>what is even more vital, to keep the project running.
>
>I don't see this kind of community. Even worse: The
>scientific community of our area is kind of the
>opposite of what's needed.
>
>
>The more or less social problems regarding the
>process of keeping an open repository project
>alive have been discussed quite detailed by
>the now so called Open Source scene. Especially
>"The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond
>()
>has spawned a tremendous amount of critics and
>critics of critics.
>
>To summarize it very abridged: You'll need a
>"charismatic" leader to gather people around
>him, and you need lots of people being concerned
>with the theme in a very personal way. While
>these prerequesites may eventually be feasible
>in parts of our community, the consequence will not:
>People get paid in kudos, not in citation indices
>or anything else, what would be of any worth in
>the official evaluation of their work.
>
>It's a pity, but I fear, it's like that,
>
> Rainer
>
>--
>Rainer Goellner
>IfADo (that's: Institute for occupational health)
>Dortmund, Germany
>
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the level of personal commitement (read time wasted) of each member, but
the problem remains. I am not so sure that our community is the opposite
of what we need, I hope you are wrong.
A note: it is interesting that to discuss on the voluntary effort of our
field, we use BIOMCH-L which is totally based on a small group of
volunteers that do it just for (not enough) kudos. So, let us do it once
again: Kudos to all you moderating BIOMCH-L. We are really in debt with
you.
Marco
>Marco Viceconti wrote:
> > ...
> > Using again Paul Ostic words we have a grand,
> > and perhaps naive vision. Is
> > it too grand? Is it too naive? Or is this the
> > Grand Challenge that would
> > provide a quantum leap to biomechanics research?
> >
> > Considering that this would be a life-long endeavour,
> > once again the
> > opinion of young fellows, the only ones who may have
> > the chance to see it
> > done, is particularly welcome.
> >
>Though not being a young fellow, just a not so
>old technical assistant, I'd like to contribute
>my two euro-cents...
>
>Your global repository is an idea spinning around
>in my head for years now. I really do think your
>vision of a global repository is _the_ Grand Challenge
>for the biomechanics community.
>
>And that's exactly the problem: You will need a
>special kind of community to get it started, and,
>what is even more vital, to keep the project running.
>
>I don't see this kind of community. Even worse: The
>scientific community of our area is kind of the
>opposite of what's needed.
>
>
>The more or less social problems regarding the
>process of keeping an open repository project
>alive have been discussed quite detailed by
>the now so called Open Source scene. Especially
>"The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond
>()
>has spawned a tremendous amount of critics and
>critics of critics.
>
>To summarize it very abridged: You'll need a
>"charismatic" leader to gather people around
>him, and you need lots of people being concerned
>with the theme in a very personal way. While
>these prerequesites may eventually be feasible
>in parts of our community, the consequence will not:
>People get paid in kudos, not in citation indices
>or anything else, what would be of any worth in
>the official evaluation of their work.
>
>It's a pity, but I fear, it's like that,
>
> Rainer
>
>--
>Rainer Goellner
>IfADo (that's: Institute for occupational health)
>Dortmund, Germany
>
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MARCO VICECONTI, PhD (viceconti@tecno.ior.it)
Laboratorio di Tecnologia Medica tel. 39-051-6366865
Istituti Ortopedici Rizzoli fax. 39-051-6366863
via di barbiano 1/10, 40136 - Bologna, Italy
Tiger! Tiger! Burning bright in the forest of the night,
what immortal hand or eye could frame thy fearful symmetry?
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