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  • Re: SUMMARTNormal gait: Are joint angle standard deviationslarger atma ximal joint angular velocities?

    Chris (& others):

    I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with Ton van den Bogert and At
    Hof on this one.
    Moreover, I have plotted some of my old dissertation data that shows this:
    http://www.edb.utexas.edu/faculty/dingwell/SD.jpg

    The reason that the SD's look smaller during periods of high velocity is on
    a plot of mean +/- SD is an optical illusion. The SD band appears narrow
    (horizontally), but if you actually measure (vertically), you get a
    different answer....

    The figure shows data from a healthy young subject walking over level
    ground. The joint angle data were obtained with goniometers (P&J) and the
    mean +/- SD curves were constructed from a set of 50 consecutive strides
    from the middle of the self-selected speed walking trial. Even though the
    SD bandwidth appears narrower in the mean+/-SD plots (top plots), the SD
    values get larger when angular velocity is higher (bottom plots).

    Although I have made no attempts to verify this, I believe Ton's suggestion
    as to why this happens makes a lot of sense.

    I hope this helps.....
    Jon Dingwell


    At 08:27 AM 4/17/2003 -0400, Ton van den Bogert wrote:
    >Dr. Chris Kirtley wrote:
    >
    >>I think this warrants a bit more discussion. The SDs are clearly smaller
    >>during periods of HIGH angular velocity in all the plots I have looked
    >>at - and the effect is most pronounced in the knee angle. Compare the



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