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At 10:37 AM 04/02/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>I still think intuitively that total power should be the same, whether
>we use dot product of the w and M vectors:
>
> P = w.M
>
>or sum the three "motor-equivalent" powers from a joint coordinate
>system:
> P = da/dt*Mi + db/dt*Mj + dc/dt*Mk.
I haven't worked through all of Young-Hoo's equations looking at this but
think it is instructive to look at what happens at the gimbal lock point.
At this point (regardless of "true" angular velocity or moment) a and c are
not defined and thus neither are da/dt or dc/dt. Neither can any component
of M which is perpendicular to the plane in which the three (co-planar)
axes lie be represented within the equations. The second equation thus
breaks down at this point.
Gimbal lock doesn't affect moments and angular velocities represented
conventionally about orthogonal axis system so the first equation is still
valid.
If one expression is undefined at a point at which another is valid then
the two expressions cannot be equivalent.
Richard
Richard Baker
Gait Analysis Service Manager, Royal Children's Hospital
Flemington Road, Parkville, Victoria 3052
Tel: +613 9345 5354, Fax +613 9345 5447
Adjunct Associate Professor, Physiotherapy, La Trobe University
Honorary Senior Fellow, Mecahnical and Manufacturing Engineering, Melbourne
University
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At 10:37 AM 04/02/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>I still think intuitively that total power should be the same, whether
>we use dot product of the w and M vectors:
>
> P = w.M
>
>or sum the three "motor-equivalent" powers from a joint coordinate
>system:
> P = da/dt*Mi + db/dt*Mj + dc/dt*Mk.
I haven't worked through all of Young-Hoo's equations looking at this but
think it is instructive to look at what happens at the gimbal lock point.
At this point (regardless of "true" angular velocity or moment) a and c are
not defined and thus neither are da/dt or dc/dt. Neither can any component
of M which is perpendicular to the plane in which the three (co-planar)
axes lie be represented within the equations. The second equation thus
breaks down at this point.
Gimbal lock doesn't affect moments and angular velocities represented
conventionally about orthogonal axis system so the first equation is still
valid.
If one expression is undefined at a point at which another is valid then
the two expressions cannot be equivalent.
Richard
Richard Baker
Gait Analysis Service Manager, Royal Children's Hospital
Flemington Road, Parkville, Victoria 3052
Tel: +613 9345 5354, Fax +613 9345 5447
Adjunct Associate Professor, Physiotherapy, La Trobe University
Honorary Senior Fellow, Mecahnical and Manufacturing Engineering, Melbourne
University
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