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    Several days ago I posted a question about muscle shortening length when
    fully activated and under no resistance. Thanks to all of you who took
    the time out to reply.
    What follows is a summary of all replies.

    Orit Yarden

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    >From gatesysm@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Wed Jun 22 09:34:03 1994
    Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Stephen M. Gatesy"
    To: Orit YARDEN
    Subject: Re: muscles


    Are you interested in the final (shortest) muscle length or the
    pattern of shortening over time?

    At the fiber level you could probably get a good estimate using sarcomere
    force-length data, but for whole muscle I would imagine that shortening
    stops prior to the point at which sarcomere force reaches zero.

    Fiber architecture will play a more significant role when fiber angles
    are large and series connective tissue components are substantial.

    I'll be interested in hearing the responses you get.

    Best,

    steve gatesy
    wake forest univ.
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    >From Rick_Lieber@som-lrc.ucsd.edu Wed Jun 22 09:34:36 1994
    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 08:56:00 -0700
    From: Rick_Lieber@som-lrc.ucsd.edu
    To: yarden@eng.tau.ac.il
    Subject: Re: muscles

    Dear Dr. Yarden,
    The method for calculating muscle shortening would be to determine the
    muscle length corresponding to a sarcomere length change down to 1.6 microns,
    the length of the thick filament. In order to do this, calculate the fiber
    length (using the muscle length and fiber length/muscle length ratio), correct
    for pennation angle (if any) and make an estimate of resting sarcomere length
    at resting muscle length. Finally, include any species difference in the
    length of the actin filament (2.0 microns for frogs, 2.6 microns for humans).
    Good Luck!
    Rick Lieber
    UCSD
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    >From pklein@resu1.ulb.ac.be Wed Jun 22 09:34:59 1994
    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 21:42:40 +0200
    From: Paul Klein
    To: Orit YARDEN
    Subject: Re: muscles

    Dear Orit

    Question:
    When a human skeletal muscle is fully activated and allowed to contract
    freely (without any resistance), how could one estimate the change in
    length (shortening length) ?
    Is it possible to estimate this value for a specific muscle by some
    percent of the muscle length ?
    Any comment would be appreciated.

    Suggestion
    If the instantaneous moment arm (MA) of the muscle is known for and together
    with the joint angle (alpha) one gets a nice approximation of the muscle
    length by: MA x alpha [alpha in radians].

    Other possible parameters may be: - wrapping around other muscles together
    with changes due to muscle cross section variations, - changes due to
    visco-elasticity of the muscle itself, - ?.

    For hamstings length changes see for instance:
    P. Klein,Influence of the pelvis tilt angle on the contraction velocity of
    the hamstrings during hip and knee extension. Posture and Gait: Control
    mechanisms. M. Woollacott, F. Horak (editors). University of Oregon Books,
    Eugene, vol.1: 396-399, 1992.

    Best regards
    Paul


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