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The following are the replies to my request for information on
forceplatform data acquisition software. Thanks to all those who
responded.
Neil
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Of course, we are quite biased as to using Kistler's BioWare system.
I recommend you contact several people who use our system in the
States.
Dr. Michael Feltner @ Peperdine U email:mfeltner@peperdine.edu
Dr. Nelson Ng @ Slippery Rock U Phone: 01-412-738-2846
Dr. Chuck Layne @ NASA/KRUG email:layne@plato.jsc.nasa.gov
Mind you, the ISOC purchased five BioWare systems to collect data
at their new ARCO training center in San DIego, CA. A contact there
is Mike Shannon @ 01-619-482-6144. The ARCO Training Center has
fifteen force plate pits to collect data from field events
including; discus, hammer, long jump, high jump, shot, pole vault,
sprints, distance running, javalin & archery. I might point out
when considering BioWare to consider the Performance Module. For
sport applications it is very useful
Good Luck! Bob Redd Kistler Instrument, USA Biomechanics Product
Manager.
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I think you are right to say it should be PC based. We have
gathered gait analysis and EMG data on a mixed system of MAC and PC
based systems at the School of Prosthetics and Orthotics at
University College Salford, and are now having a lot of trouble
converting MAC files for analysis on a PC.
Dr Eric Powell, North Western Orthotic Unit, Hope Hospital, Salford
UK
telephone: (44) 0161 787 4243 FAX: (44) 0161 787 4241
(e-mail epowell@fs1.ho.man.ac.uk)
http://www.hop.man.ac.uk/staff/epowell/epowell.html
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I have had limited experience using Bioware (Kistler's proprietary
software). It seems to be pretty good; however if you use an IBM
computer (as we do) you may experience problems. Kisler says they
are working to solve these problems but I have seen no fixes as
yet. The problem, as we see it, is that the Kistler software and
the IBM boards are not fully compatible. I am not aware of any
other problems. I just think if you use an IBM brand PC you might
want to contact Kistler to see if they have solved the problems.
Other PCs may perform fine with the software.
Gene Jameson
Research Assistant
United States Olympic Committee
Sport Science and Technology Division
***************
At the Centre for Human Sciences we have a Kistler 9281B plate
that we use with the Peak5 system. Although we have Peak
Performance FPA module I originally (and still do) sampled the
force data into a CED140Plus. Originally I used Spike2 (DOS) and
found this very accomodating in that (with a little experience and
effort) it allowed me to tailor the analysis to my own particular
needs. Thus I have Spike2 scripts for conventional force time
history collection, data normalisation and averaging, force vector
displays as well as for CofP tracking for balance studies. Using
DOS batch files the 1401 can be configured to control force plate
sensitivity (via digital o/p's), sample data and run your selected
analysis script all automatically. I'll be happy to send you futher
details if you're interested.
My address is Dr. Mike Llewellyn
Applied Physiology,
Centre for Human Sciences
Defence Research Agency
Farnborough, Hants. GU14 6TD
Tel 01252-394113
Fax 01252-393865
*******************
Here is one vote for the Kistler software. If you are just
interested in collecting force plate data this software gives you
alot of control and is reliable (based on experiece at the U of
Ottawa - Canada gait lab). At our hospital we use the Ariel
Performance Analysis System to collect force plate, EMG, and video
with success. Once you get used to the interface, it is very fast
to setup, review the client data, save, and setup for the next
trial. It would be nice to have some more post processing features
though and a function to weigh the subject before a trial.
Ed Lemaire, MSc The Rehabilitation Centre Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
613-737-7350 x5592
*******************
I strongly urge you to consider LabView. While it isn't a canned
program it offers you all the tools to do data acquisition and much,
much more. Perhaps one downside is that you probably should use
their D/A board.
Hope this helps.
Barry Munkasy BMunkasy@Physics.USC.EDU University of Southern
California Department of Exercise Science Biomechanics Laboratory PEB
RM 107 Los Angeles, CA 90089-0652 (213) 740-2492 (W) (213) 740-7909
(Fax)
*******************
I use BIOWARE the software sold by Kistler. Different modules are
available even one called POWER to analyze jumps. The aquisition is
fine, the analysis part is sometimes basic but it is compensated by
the possiblity to export the raw and computed data . If you use one
force plate you have the possibility to aquire 8 analog channels
(+- 10V) at the same time.
Yves BLANC Laboratoire de Cinesiologie Hopital cantonal
Universitaire 1211 GENEVE 14 suisse Fax xx 41 22 / 37 27 799 Phone
xx 41 22 / 37 27 827
*****************
There is a data aquisition program that is for sell by Exeter
Reseach in Exeter, New Hamshire, USA Their phone number is 603
772-2505, Fax 603 772-5463
Their address is: Exeter Research, 8 Chestnut Street, Exeter, NH 03833,
USA
******************
Surf the net to http://www.arielnet.com
The Ariel Performance Analysis System (APAS) has a very extensive
analog module that incorporates software for EMG and forceplates.
Additionally, the APAS operates from a notebook computer for portable
applications (of course you would still require AC power for the force
plate)
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
Dr Neil Messenger
Centre for studies in Physical 0_ ._____.
Education and Sports Science < \\ ' \0/ ' o
University of Leeds /\_ O /_
Leeds LS2 9JT o\ < > ( )\.
UK
Tel: +44 (0)113 2335084 Fax:+44 (0)113 2335083 E-Mail: N.Messenger@Leeds.ac.uk
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
forceplatform data acquisition software. Thanks to all those who
responded.
Neil
*****************************************
Of course, we are quite biased as to using Kistler's BioWare system.
I recommend you contact several people who use our system in the
States.
Dr. Michael Feltner @ Peperdine U email:mfeltner@peperdine.edu
Dr. Nelson Ng @ Slippery Rock U Phone: 01-412-738-2846
Dr. Chuck Layne @ NASA/KRUG email:layne@plato.jsc.nasa.gov
Mind you, the ISOC purchased five BioWare systems to collect data
at their new ARCO training center in San DIego, CA. A contact there
is Mike Shannon @ 01-619-482-6144. The ARCO Training Center has
fifteen force plate pits to collect data from field events
including; discus, hammer, long jump, high jump, shot, pole vault,
sprints, distance running, javalin & archery. I might point out
when considering BioWare to consider the Performance Module. For
sport applications it is very useful
Good Luck! Bob Redd Kistler Instrument, USA Biomechanics Product
Manager.
************************
I think you are right to say it should be PC based. We have
gathered gait analysis and EMG data on a mixed system of MAC and PC
based systems at the School of Prosthetics and Orthotics at
University College Salford, and are now having a lot of trouble
converting MAC files for analysis on a PC.
Dr Eric Powell, North Western Orthotic Unit, Hope Hospital, Salford
UK
telephone: (44) 0161 787 4243 FAX: (44) 0161 787 4241
(e-mail epowell@fs1.ho.man.ac.uk)
http://www.hop.man.ac.uk/staff/epowell/epowell.html
**************
I have had limited experience using Bioware (Kistler's proprietary
software). It seems to be pretty good; however if you use an IBM
computer (as we do) you may experience problems. Kisler says they
are working to solve these problems but I have seen no fixes as
yet. The problem, as we see it, is that the Kistler software and
the IBM boards are not fully compatible. I am not aware of any
other problems. I just think if you use an IBM brand PC you might
want to contact Kistler to see if they have solved the problems.
Other PCs may perform fine with the software.
Gene Jameson
Research Assistant
United States Olympic Committee
Sport Science and Technology Division
***************
At the Centre for Human Sciences we have a Kistler 9281B plate
that we use with the Peak5 system. Although we have Peak
Performance FPA module I originally (and still do) sampled the
force data into a CED140Plus. Originally I used Spike2 (DOS) and
found this very accomodating in that (with a little experience and
effort) it allowed me to tailor the analysis to my own particular
needs. Thus I have Spike2 scripts for conventional force time
history collection, data normalisation and averaging, force vector
displays as well as for CofP tracking for balance studies. Using
DOS batch files the 1401 can be configured to control force plate
sensitivity (via digital o/p's), sample data and run your selected
analysis script all automatically. I'll be happy to send you futher
details if you're interested.
My address is Dr. Mike Llewellyn
Applied Physiology,
Centre for Human Sciences
Defence Research Agency
Farnborough, Hants. GU14 6TD
Tel 01252-394113
Fax 01252-393865
*******************
Here is one vote for the Kistler software. If you are just
interested in collecting force plate data this software gives you
alot of control and is reliable (based on experiece at the U of
Ottawa - Canada gait lab). At our hospital we use the Ariel
Performance Analysis System to collect force plate, EMG, and video
with success. Once you get used to the interface, it is very fast
to setup, review the client data, save, and setup for the next
trial. It would be nice to have some more post processing features
though and a function to weigh the subject before a trial.
Ed Lemaire, MSc The Rehabilitation Centre Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
613-737-7350 x5592
*******************
I strongly urge you to consider LabView. While it isn't a canned
program it offers you all the tools to do data acquisition and much,
much more. Perhaps one downside is that you probably should use
their D/A board.
Hope this helps.
Barry Munkasy BMunkasy@Physics.USC.EDU University of Southern
California Department of Exercise Science Biomechanics Laboratory PEB
RM 107 Los Angeles, CA 90089-0652 (213) 740-2492 (W) (213) 740-7909
(Fax)
*******************
I use BIOWARE the software sold by Kistler. Different modules are
available even one called POWER to analyze jumps. The aquisition is
fine, the analysis part is sometimes basic but it is compensated by
the possiblity to export the raw and computed data . If you use one
force plate you have the possibility to aquire 8 analog channels
(+- 10V) at the same time.
Yves BLANC Laboratoire de Cinesiologie Hopital cantonal
Universitaire 1211 GENEVE 14 suisse Fax xx 41 22 / 37 27 799 Phone
xx 41 22 / 37 27 827
*****************
There is a data aquisition program that is for sell by Exeter
Reseach in Exeter, New Hamshire, USA Their phone number is 603
772-2505, Fax 603 772-5463
Their address is: Exeter Research, 8 Chestnut Street, Exeter, NH 03833,
USA
******************
Surf the net to http://www.arielnet.com
The Ariel Performance Analysis System (APAS) has a very extensive
analog module that incorporates software for EMG and forceplates.
Additionally, the APAS operates from a notebook computer for portable
applications (of course you would still require AC power for the force
plate)
__________________________________________________ ________________________________
Dr Neil Messenger
Centre for studies in Physical 0_ ._____.
Education and Sports Science < \\ ' \0/ ' o
University of Leeds /\_ O /_
Leeds LS2 9JT o\ < > ( )\.
UK
Tel: +44 (0)113 2335084 Fax:+44 (0)113 2335083 E-Mail: N.Messenger@Leeds.ac.uk
__________________________________________________ ________________________________