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The question on putative sex differences in throwing has continued to
generate some interesting responses. Here are some additional replies
since the first summary was posted a few days ago.
Brad
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From: Gdiscus@aol.com
The girl your one respondent mentioned is Illa Borders pitching for the Duluth
(Minnesota) baseball team in the Northern League. You might like to question
her some time. The northern League is an Independant league. Some players who
have moved up are JD Drew, Daryl Strawberry, and Ray Ordoniz. It is a good
league.
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To the above discussion I'd like to add my two pennies worth:
It would be helpful for investigators to do comparison between which arm is
being used. I as a right handed person I can throw pretty well with my
favoured hand, but when it comes to my left hand I've got a girlier than
girly throw. I think thats pretty much true of most boys, so the difference
has to do with experience rather than sex.
Cheers Kambiz.
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Kambiz Saber-sheikh
Computational Engineering and Design Centre
Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Southampton
Southampton Phone: + 44 1703 593392
S017 1BJ Fax: + 44 1703 593230
England, UK. Email: kss@soton.ac.uk
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Sorry, I don't have any data on this, but I am interested. From my own
experience (as a girl), I think any difference in throwing style is due to
girls' lack of training. I was not taught how to throw until I was in my
mid-teens, and even now I have to think before I can throw accurately or
over a large distance. I didn't participate in out-of-school sports when I
was young, and girls don't tend to play ball games in the school
playground, so I lack experience and training.
I was expect girls who participate in ball sports, whether in or out of
school, would not throw any differently from boys.
Cheers,
Koa.
P.S. I've now been taught how to throw a punch too, and while I might not
have the same upper body strength as a man, I'm pretty sure my style isn't
any different...
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Koa Webster
Dawson Laboratory
School of Biological Sciences
University of New South Wales
Sydney NSW 2052
AUSTRALIA
Ph: +61-2-9385 2123
Fax: +61-2-9385 1558
email: koa@student.unsw.edu.au
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1) YES, there are HUGE sex/ gender differences in throwing
2) These differences start VERY early (likely before 3-5 years old,
certainly by time children enter school)
3) Throwing "patterns" change qualitatively AND quantitatively over
the entire lifespan, from early age until late adulthood
4) As paradoxical as it may seem after the first 3 answers, there
is NO SUCH THING as "throwing like a girl!" That is simply a sexist
stereotype for a specific developmental level of throwing. I have
recently-taken videos of adult males "throwing like girls" when asked to
use their non-preferred hands/arms.
4) At present, we have a few "guesses" but no "proof" or hard
evidence about the "causes" of these gender differences, despite how
prevalent and dramatic they are.
Steve
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Stephen J. Langendorfer, Ph.D.
*
Associate Professor - Kinesiology
*
School of Human Movement, Sport, and Leisure Studies *
College of Education and Human Development
*
Bowling Green State University
*
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA
*
419-372-0221 FAX 419-372-2877
*
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generate some interesting responses. Here are some additional replies
since the first summary was posted a few days ago.
Brad
************************************************** ************************
From: Gdiscus@aol.com
The girl your one respondent mentioned is Illa Borders pitching for the Duluth
(Minnesota) baseball team in the Northern League. You might like to question
her some time. The northern League is an Independant league. Some players who
have moved up are JD Drew, Daryl Strawberry, and Ray Ordoniz. It is a good
league.
************************************************** ************************
To the above discussion I'd like to add my two pennies worth:
It would be helpful for investigators to do comparison between which arm is
being used. I as a right handed person I can throw pretty well with my
favoured hand, but when it comes to my left hand I've got a girlier than
girly throw. I think thats pretty much true of most boys, so the difference
has to do with experience rather than sex.
Cheers Kambiz.
************************************************** *
Kambiz Saber-sheikh
Computational Engineering and Design Centre
Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Southampton
Southampton Phone: + 44 1703 593392
S017 1BJ Fax: + 44 1703 593230
England, UK. Email: kss@soton.ac.uk
************************************************** ************************
Sorry, I don't have any data on this, but I am interested. From my own
experience (as a girl), I think any difference in throwing style is due to
girls' lack of training. I was not taught how to throw until I was in my
mid-teens, and even now I have to think before I can throw accurately or
over a large distance. I didn't participate in out-of-school sports when I
was young, and girls don't tend to play ball games in the school
playground, so I lack experience and training.
I was expect girls who participate in ball sports, whether in or out of
school, would not throw any differently from boys.
Cheers,
Koa.
P.S. I've now been taught how to throw a punch too, and while I might not
have the same upper body strength as a man, I'm pretty sure my style isn't
any different...
------------------------------------
Koa Webster
Dawson Laboratory
School of Biological Sciences
University of New South Wales
Sydney NSW 2052
AUSTRALIA
Ph: +61-2-9385 2123
Fax: +61-2-9385 1558
email: koa@student.unsw.edu.au
************************************************** ************************
1) YES, there are HUGE sex/ gender differences in throwing
2) These differences start VERY early (likely before 3-5 years old,
certainly by time children enter school)
3) Throwing "patterns" change qualitatively AND quantitatively over
the entire lifespan, from early age until late adulthood
4) As paradoxical as it may seem after the first 3 answers, there
is NO SUCH THING as "throwing like a girl!" That is simply a sexist
stereotype for a specific developmental level of throwing. I have
recently-taken videos of adult males "throwing like girls" when asked to
use their non-preferred hands/arms.
4) At present, we have a few "guesses" but no "proof" or hard
evidence about the "causes" of these gender differences, despite how
prevalent and dramatic they are.
Steve
************************************************** *****
Stephen J. Langendorfer, Ph.D.
*
Associate Professor - Kinesiology
*
School of Human Movement, Sport, and Leisure Studies *
College of Education and Human Development
*
Bowling Green State University
*
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA
*
419-372-0221 FAX 419-372-2877
*
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