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Aloha from Kauai,
I very much liked the post below with its insight into the neuro impact of
spinal work.
But may i humbly say that reference keeps going back to manipulation.
If you manipulate you can comment on manipulation. If you adjust spines in
finite degrees and millimeters then you can comment on same.
But skiing is to musculoskeletal manipulation as neuro-spinal adjustments
are to surfing. And as Murf da Surf used to say. "If ya wanta know about
soifin...ya soif...if you don't soif...ya don't know nuttin about soifin!!!
It amazes me how people transpose their expertise like the chasm they cross
is a single step.
I say this humbly and from the heart.
Trennoche
-----Original Message-----
From: Vinicio D'Annunzio
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.biomch-l
To: BIOMCH-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL
Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 6:25 AM
Subject: SPINAL MANIPULATION (Re. to Mel Stiff and Steve Levin)
>I agree with Steve Levin's statements : 'Manipulation restores joint
>play (a measurable fact). I am not sure what else it does (a scientific
>statement). The rest is conjecture, wishful thinking and pseudo
>science...manipulation is a nonlinear event.'
>However, my personal impression is that manipulation has much in common
>with other techniques even if very different in origin, background,
>philosophy and goals (akupressure, acupuncture, mesotherapy, also
>"proprioceptive" reeducation and McKenzie, also neuromotor
>rehabilitation techniques like Vojta or Bobath). They all share, aside
>from the obvious differences, common procedures in applying pressures on
>specific points, or puncturing those points, or applying torsional
>forces directly (manipulation) or indirectly (Bobath, Vojta). Pressures
>and torsions, when carefully applied, seem always able to evoke
>'something': my impression is that 'something' is the direct or indirect
>stimulation-relaxation of the tiny, deep paraspinal muscles, evoking a
>centripetal input to ...what? maybe the Reticular Formation and related
>structures (Common Brain Stem System, Hess, 1925). Reticular Formation
>and Neurovegetative System could form the background of the interplay
>among motor, sensitive, emotional reactions to the different methods.
>
>References:
>HESS W.R.: Uber die Wechselbeziehungen zwischen Psychischen und
>vegetativen Funktionen. Schweiz Arch. Neurol. Psychiat. 16. 1925, 36;
>SCHULTZ G.. LAMBERTZ M., SCHULTZ B.. LANGHORST P.. KRIENKE B.: Reticular
>formation of the brainstem. A common system, fot cardio-respiratory and
>somatomotor functions. Cross-correlation analysis of discharge patterns
>of neighbouring neurones. J. Autonom. Nery. Syst. 12, 1985, 35-62
>
>--
>Vinicio D'Annunzio, MD
>Researcher
>Università Cattolica, Roma, Italia
>alternate mail: dannunzio@doctor.com
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>Some of the world's greatest feats were accomplished by people not smart
>enough to know they were impossible. -- Doug Larson
>
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I very much liked the post below with its insight into the neuro impact of
spinal work.
But may i humbly say that reference keeps going back to manipulation.
If you manipulate you can comment on manipulation. If you adjust spines in
finite degrees and millimeters then you can comment on same.
But skiing is to musculoskeletal manipulation as neuro-spinal adjustments
are to surfing. And as Murf da Surf used to say. "If ya wanta know about
soifin...ya soif...if you don't soif...ya don't know nuttin about soifin!!!
It amazes me how people transpose their expertise like the chasm they cross
is a single step.
I say this humbly and from the heart.
Trennoche
-----Original Message-----
From: Vinicio D'Annunzio
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.biomch-l
To: BIOMCH-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL
Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 6:25 AM
Subject: SPINAL MANIPULATION (Re. to Mel Stiff and Steve Levin)
>I agree with Steve Levin's statements : 'Manipulation restores joint
>play (a measurable fact). I am not sure what else it does (a scientific
>statement). The rest is conjecture, wishful thinking and pseudo
>science...manipulation is a nonlinear event.'
>However, my personal impression is that manipulation has much in common
>with other techniques even if very different in origin, background,
>philosophy and goals (akupressure, acupuncture, mesotherapy, also
>"proprioceptive" reeducation and McKenzie, also neuromotor
>rehabilitation techniques like Vojta or Bobath). They all share, aside
>from the obvious differences, common procedures in applying pressures on
>specific points, or puncturing those points, or applying torsional
>forces directly (manipulation) or indirectly (Bobath, Vojta). Pressures
>and torsions, when carefully applied, seem always able to evoke
>'something': my impression is that 'something' is the direct or indirect
>stimulation-relaxation of the tiny, deep paraspinal muscles, evoking a
>centripetal input to ...what? maybe the Reticular Formation and related
>structures (Common Brain Stem System, Hess, 1925). Reticular Formation
>and Neurovegetative System could form the background of the interplay
>among motor, sensitive, emotional reactions to the different methods.
>
>References:
>HESS W.R.: Uber die Wechselbeziehungen zwischen Psychischen und
>vegetativen Funktionen. Schweiz Arch. Neurol. Psychiat. 16. 1925, 36;
>SCHULTZ G.. LAMBERTZ M., SCHULTZ B.. LANGHORST P.. KRIENKE B.: Reticular
>formation of the brainstem. A common system, fot cardio-respiratory and
>somatomotor functions. Cross-correlation analysis of discharge patterns
>of neighbouring neurones. J. Autonom. Nery. Syst. 12, 1985, 35-62
>
>--
>Vinicio D'Annunzio, MD
>Researcher
>Università Cattolica, Roma, Italia
>alternate mail: dannunzio@doctor.com
>----------------------------------
>Some of the world's greatest feats were accomplished by people not smart
>enough to know they were impossible. -- Doug Larson
>
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